For a lot of Christians, Christmas is the most depressing time of the year. Their emphasis is not on Jesus but on who has passed on, what they are not able to give to their children, or where their next stop will be for them to lay their heads. Others see it as a season to do their due diligence. I stopped worrying about celebrating Christmas several years ago. I saw myself as celebrating the day, commercialism, and not the Maker of the day. I am not against those who celebrate and participate sometimes with them. As the Word says, "...According to your faith be it unto you" (Matt. 9:29). Thank you for this message and your deep research to give us as much background and foundation to what people are struggling with. God bless you and may you and your family have a wonderful, blessed Christmas.
Good points! This time of year is very depressing to many people as they look around and so many people they love are not there anymore. Thank you and have a blessed Christmas as well!
With it being a group of Shepards, Bible says Shepards plural, ewes only gave birth late March thru early May birthplace being out in the fields with multiple births
My desire to celebrate Christmas goes down with each passing year. It's not what it once was. I see so many Christians and non-Christians do all the "Christmasy" things because it's expected of them. They spend money on gifts people don't need to get gifts they don't need, etc. I, personally, do very little of the holiday stuff, not because I'm a grinch, but because I don't want to get caught up in all of it.
The real "reason for the season" seems increasingly lost as the years go on... It is "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
I believe that the Messiah was NOT celebrating Hanukkah and the bible does not state that he was participating in the festivities. Hanukkah is a tradition of men and scripture says that the Almighty HATES the traditions of men. The Messiah was on the porch of Solomon, where it was common to have intellectual discourse and debate. Jesus was having discourse (Jn 10) as he did when at the temple in Jerusalem. The Messiah and disciples often debated and taught there (Acts 3, 5) (“. . . and they were
all together in Solomon’s Portico.”–Acts 5:12). The celebration of Hanukkah was a perfect time for him to tell people that it was HE who is the light of the world and much greater than the Jews' celebration of light; HE who was right there among them and they couldn't see or understand. Hanukkah is a tradition of men just as the other traditions inserted into the oral law. Christmas and Easter are traditions of men. I don't understand why so many feel that it's such a hard thing to toss these traditions out with the garbage. No more expensive decoration, no more lying to the kiddos, no more spending money on gifts nobody wants, no more poor children sadly sitting at home in the dark with no gifts or lots of food, no more gluttony and drunkenness, etc. This scripture alone deals with Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, Easter, or any day in which pagans worshipped their gods. Deut 12:30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, "How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise." (31) You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
This is a tricky topic, which is why I wrote a series of post on it, including the date and place of Jesus birth, which is in scripture, but it takes a little bit of digging.
It occurred on a Holy Day, but not the winter solstice of the Sun God.
It was one of God's Holy Days, upon which he has performed most of his works through out history. These Holy days were celebrated by Christians and Jews in the first few centuries, and many Christians still celebrate them today.
It would be interesting to get your comments on it.
Back in the 1990s I read an article by Ernest L. Martin on the birth of Christ. I always prove up things I read and this article became one of the reasons I tossed Christmas and never looked back. Over the years, I've found other facts about the unbiblical celebrations which God's people embrace. Ernest Martin based his research on Revelation 12. More than a few planetariums began noting that Christmas was not the birth of Christ after his book came out. In this article you'll find a study on the birth of John the Baptist calculated by scripture and timing of the service in the temple of John's father, Zechariah. Christ was born 6 months after John the Baptist. Chapter 6 also goes into all of the incredible occurrences on the Day of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanah.
I had a look at the links you provided, but I don't think the astronomy is necessary to understand the birth date of Christ.
Scripture alone, will give a high probability for it being on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The significance of this day is important as it represents the start of the millennium, when Christ will rule as King on Earth, as I am sure you know.
See the following link, would appreciate your comments.
For a lot of Christians, Christmas is the most depressing time of the year. Their emphasis is not on Jesus but on who has passed on, what they are not able to give to their children, or where their next stop will be for them to lay their heads. Others see it as a season to do their due diligence. I stopped worrying about celebrating Christmas several years ago. I saw myself as celebrating the day, commercialism, and not the Maker of the day. I am not against those who celebrate and participate sometimes with them. As the Word says, "...According to your faith be it unto you" (Matt. 9:29). Thank you for this message and your deep research to give us as much background and foundation to what people are struggling with. God bless you and may you and your family have a wonderful, blessed Christmas.
Good points! This time of year is very depressing to many people as they look around and so many people they love are not there anymore. Thank you and have a blessed Christmas as well!
Thanks
With it being a group of Shepards, Bible says Shepards plural, ewes only gave birth late March thru early May birthplace being out in the fields with multiple births
My desire to celebrate Christmas goes down with each passing year. It's not what it once was. I see so many Christians and non-Christians do all the "Christmasy" things because it's expected of them. They spend money on gifts people don't need to get gifts they don't need, etc. I, personally, do very little of the holiday stuff, not because I'm a grinch, but because I don't want to get caught up in all of it.
The real "reason for the season" seems increasingly lost as the years go on... It is "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
Jeremiah 10
Tells us not to Celebrate Christmas. The most high Yah says it is all vanity. He says do not do as the heathens do.
Sure sounds like a Xmas tree, and God says not to do as they do.
If you want to know when Christ was born, and where and when to celebrate his birth have a look at my post, it should give you some food for thought.
I believe that the Messiah was NOT celebrating Hanukkah and the bible does not state that he was participating in the festivities. Hanukkah is a tradition of men and scripture says that the Almighty HATES the traditions of men. The Messiah was on the porch of Solomon, where it was common to have intellectual discourse and debate. Jesus was having discourse (Jn 10) as he did when at the temple in Jerusalem. The Messiah and disciples often debated and taught there (Acts 3, 5) (“. . . and they were
all together in Solomon’s Portico.”–Acts 5:12). The celebration of Hanukkah was a perfect time for him to tell people that it was HE who is the light of the world and much greater than the Jews' celebration of light; HE who was right there among them and they couldn't see or understand. Hanukkah is a tradition of men just as the other traditions inserted into the oral law. Christmas and Easter are traditions of men. I don't understand why so many feel that it's such a hard thing to toss these traditions out with the garbage. No more expensive decoration, no more lying to the kiddos, no more spending money on gifts nobody wants, no more poor children sadly sitting at home in the dark with no gifts or lots of food, no more gluttony and drunkenness, etc. This scripture alone deals with Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, Easter, or any day in which pagans worshipped their gods. Deut 12:30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, "How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise." (31) You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
thanks Jameson
This is a tricky topic, which is why I wrote a series of post on it, including the date and place of Jesus birth, which is in scripture, but it takes a little bit of digging.
It occurred on a Holy Day, but not the winter solstice of the Sun God.
It was one of God's Holy Days, upon which he has performed most of his works through out history. These Holy days were celebrated by Christians and Jews in the first few centuries, and many Christians still celebrate them today.
It would be interesting to get your comments on it.
Back in the 1990s I read an article by Ernest L. Martin on the birth of Christ. I always prove up things I read and this article became one of the reasons I tossed Christmas and never looked back. Over the years, I've found other facts about the unbiblical celebrations which God's people embrace. Ernest Martin based his research on Revelation 12. More than a few planetariums began noting that Christmas was not the birth of Christ after his book came out. In this article you'll find a study on the birth of John the Baptist calculated by scripture and timing of the service in the temple of John's father, Zechariah. Christ was born 6 months after John the Baptist. Chapter 6 also goes into all of the incredible occurrences on the Day of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanah.
The time of the Messiah's birth: https://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm
The birth of our Messiah and God's Feast of Trumpets: https://www.askelm.com/star/star008.htm
Hi Shelia
I had a look at the links you provided, but I don't think the astronomy is necessary to understand the birth date of Christ.
Scripture alone, will give a high probability for it being on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The significance of this day is important as it represents the start of the millennium, when Christ will rule as King on Earth, as I am sure you know.
See the following link, would appreciate your comments.
https://mvstorey.substack.com/p/the-shepherds-at-bethlehem
Jeremiah 10