We know that “all have sinned and fall short of His glory” and that “no one in righteous, not one”. Romans 5:12 is very clear: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” Paul also writes: “For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.” The conclusion is inescapable. We are born with a sin nature and need a Savior. The only person who never, ever sinned is Jesus. By the way, if anyone tells you they’ve gone through their whole life w/o sinning, they are dishonest at best. Hope this helps.
Absolutely, all have sinned and Jesus is the only person to have lived a perfect, sinless life (1 Peter 2:21-24). I would simply suggest that sin is something we choose to do and not something we are "forced" into doing by our nature. If we had a sinful nature within us, how could we repent (turn away) of our own sinful nature? We would be "programmed" into sinning - so how could we then choose to turn away from sin of our own free will? Thanks for your comment!
Jameson, I think of it this way: Being born again removes the curse of sin, then we are no longer a slave to it, yet we still do sin, even the "best" of us, not by force by by nature. This includes sins of commission and omission. I believe this is what Paul was struggling with as written above. Paul was "saved" and his mind was "renewed" daily but his mortal body was still stained with sin until he died and he clearly still struggled with sin. We know that the body is “sown” in corruption; it is raised beyond the reach of corruption. It is “sown” in dishonor; it is raised in splendor at the resurrection. Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling. 2 Corinthians 5 explains this very well. Only through the Holy Spirit can we make the choice to not sin. Without Him, pardon the expression, all hell would break loose. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." When we are called, He will give us the power to resist and turn away from sin. In fact, if the Spirit is not convicting any of us of our sin on a moment to moment basis then I would suggest we reexamine our salvation commitment. Only through death will our minds be fully "deprogrammed".
We cannot continue sinning after being saved because true repentance is turning away from your sin not just feeling sorry for it. You’re basically saying that we will and can continue to deliberately and willingly continue sinning simply because it’s our sinful nature. No. We must give every part of our lives to God, every sin even the ones that seem to be smaller. Any time Christians engage in sin, it opens up a door for the Enemy or the Devil to control this area of your life. We cannot give God all other areas of our lives, but still do certain things our way. Living for God doesn’t work that way. God wants 100% of our lives, not just the parts that are convenient to us to give up. Meaning, we must confess all our sins to God and strive to abstain from every single one of them by true repentance which is turning away from it completely and not just feeling sorry for it. Of course it would take more than a day to fully overcome a sin or sin in general, but you will eventually at some point have to fully abstain from it and let it go. You cannot hold onto it, and believe that as long as you feel sorry for it, that you’re good to go. No. It does not work that way. We must not continue to allow ourselves to fall into sin old or new simply because it’s our sinful nature and there’s nothing we can do about it. There is something we can do about it and that is seeking true repentance, which is not only a feeling of remorse or an emotion, but a change in behavior and getting rid of that action/sin for good. If we were to continue sinning simply because it’s our sinful nature and we’re saved anyways then God himself wouldn’t have said "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor
drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1
Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV In fact, even the sexual immoral, drunkards, idolaters and all of the above would inherit the kingdom of God. Seeking forgiveness/repentance and then falling back into sin and believing that you’re saved and forgiven simply by just feeling sorry, is not enough and it does not demonstrate true repentance. Many people today think that repentance is just a feeling of guilt and regret, and that that’s enough to be saved because we will never be truly saved from sin due to our sinful nature. False. That is nothing but false teaching. Regret is not enough. True repentance is a change in behavior and action. Repentance is to turn away from your sin and letting it go completely. Not just feel sorry for it, and then do it again and feel sorry for it and so on over and over again. If that was the case even the sexually immoral would inherit the kingdom of God. One can be sexually immoral and feel sorry for their sin and have some kind of guilt and remorse for it, yet there is no change in their actions and no desire to give up their sin completely for good. This is basically what you and all other believers who believe in sinning after being saved are trying to say. At some point we will all have to truly abstain from our sins and let them all go. Yes, it will be quite hard, but not impossible. We won’t be able to overcome sin in one day, but it’s also not meant to take us a lifetime to overcome it or only when we feel like it. Tomorrow is not promised, and that is why each and every day we must pick up our cross and walk with God. Each and every day we must repent and try our absolute hardest to not only feel sorry for our sin but to abstain from it and let it go. We cannot go on picking and choosing what we want to let go of and what we don’t. At the end of the day like it says on Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV, the unrighteous and etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God. So if we were to be like any one of those mentioned on the list of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God, feeling sorry or guilt will NOT do it and will not be enough to seek the Kingdom of God, if it were then God would’ve said himself that even the sexually immoral and etc would inherit the Kingdom of God. But no. That is not biblical. Only true repentance which not only includes feelings of guilt or sorry, but an ACTUAL change in both actions and behavior, and abstaining from your sin completely WILL lead you to salvation. Not guilt or shame.
Here is another excellent passage about attributed sin: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Romans 5. In effect sin affected the nature of every single person after Adam.
I agree we are not born sinners. To say God who is Holy and who judges sin, creates us all sinners already is just ridiculous. How can God judge us righteously for sin, if it was HE who created us sinners at birth. For who can resist God? We are born with a sin nature. When we define sin according to scripture it is the WILLFULL trangress against the law of GOD. How can a infant make a willfull choice? To Din against God is you making a conscious choice to do so, and a baby can NOT achieve this feat.
We are not guilty of adams sin like we are told we are in catholism . I love how the religious world brings us up in guilt !!! Takes time to get out of that . We have a sinful nature .
Robin, this was Biblical teaching long before it was Catholic teaching: “Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” Romans 5:12 also v. 19:, “For as by one man’s (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s (Jesus) obedience many will be made righteous.” Context is everything.
Paul's point in Romans 3:23 is that both Jews and Gentiles have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. I think this means they have chosen to sin, not being born sinners. Eventually, all people choose to sin and fall short of God's glory.
Being born in the Spirit is explained more by 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 I think: "For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit."
Also, when we obey the gospel and are immersed into Christ, the Spirit "marks" us as belonging to God: "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13-14)
When we are immersed into Christ in obedient faith, we are "raised up to walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:3-7). A new life - a birth - by water and the Spirit.
We know that “all have sinned and fall short of His glory” and that “no one in righteous, not one”. Romans 5:12 is very clear: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” Paul also writes: “For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.” The conclusion is inescapable. We are born with a sin nature and need a Savior. The only person who never, ever sinned is Jesus. By the way, if anyone tells you they’ve gone through their whole life w/o sinning, they are dishonest at best. Hope this helps.
Absolutely, all have sinned and Jesus is the only person to have lived a perfect, sinless life (1 Peter 2:21-24). I would simply suggest that sin is something we choose to do and not something we are "forced" into doing by our nature. If we had a sinful nature within us, how could we repent (turn away) of our own sinful nature? We would be "programmed" into sinning - so how could we then choose to turn away from sin of our own free will? Thanks for your comment!
Jameson, I think of it this way: Being born again removes the curse of sin, then we are no longer a slave to it, yet we still do sin, even the "best" of us, not by force by by nature. This includes sins of commission and omission. I believe this is what Paul was struggling with as written above. Paul was "saved" and his mind was "renewed" daily but his mortal body was still stained with sin until he died and he clearly still struggled with sin. We know that the body is “sown” in corruption; it is raised beyond the reach of corruption. It is “sown” in dishonor; it is raised in splendor at the resurrection. Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling. 2 Corinthians 5 explains this very well. Only through the Holy Spirit can we make the choice to not sin. Without Him, pardon the expression, all hell would break loose. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." When we are called, He will give us the power to resist and turn away from sin. In fact, if the Spirit is not convicting any of us of our sin on a moment to moment basis then I would suggest we reexamine our salvation commitment. Only through death will our minds be fully "deprogrammed".
We cannot continue sinning after being saved because true repentance is turning away from your sin not just feeling sorry for it. You’re basically saying that we will and can continue to deliberately and willingly continue sinning simply because it’s our sinful nature. No. We must give every part of our lives to God, every sin even the ones that seem to be smaller. Any time Christians engage in sin, it opens up a door for the Enemy or the Devil to control this area of your life. We cannot give God all other areas of our lives, but still do certain things our way. Living for God doesn’t work that way. God wants 100% of our lives, not just the parts that are convenient to us to give up. Meaning, we must confess all our sins to God and strive to abstain from every single one of them by true repentance which is turning away from it completely and not just feeling sorry for it. Of course it would take more than a day to fully overcome a sin or sin in general, but you will eventually at some point have to fully abstain from it and let it go. You cannot hold onto it, and believe that as long as you feel sorry for it, that you’re good to go. No. It does not work that way. We must not continue to allow ourselves to fall into sin old or new simply because it’s our sinful nature and there’s nothing we can do about it. There is something we can do about it and that is seeking true repentance, which is not only a feeling of remorse or an emotion, but a change in behavior and getting rid of that action/sin for good. If we were to continue sinning simply because it’s our sinful nature and we’re saved anyways then God himself wouldn’t have said "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor
drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1
Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV In fact, even the sexual immoral, drunkards, idolaters and all of the above would inherit the kingdom of God. Seeking forgiveness/repentance and then falling back into sin and believing that you’re saved and forgiven simply by just feeling sorry, is not enough and it does not demonstrate true repentance. Many people today think that repentance is just a feeling of guilt and regret, and that that’s enough to be saved because we will never be truly saved from sin due to our sinful nature. False. That is nothing but false teaching. Regret is not enough. True repentance is a change in behavior and action. Repentance is to turn away from your sin and letting it go completely. Not just feel sorry for it, and then do it again and feel sorry for it and so on over and over again. If that was the case even the sexually immoral would inherit the kingdom of God. One can be sexually immoral and feel sorry for their sin and have some kind of guilt and remorse for it, yet there is no change in their actions and no desire to give up their sin completely for good. This is basically what you and all other believers who believe in sinning after being saved are trying to say. At some point we will all have to truly abstain from our sins and let them all go. Yes, it will be quite hard, but not impossible. We won’t be able to overcome sin in one day, but it’s also not meant to take us a lifetime to overcome it or only when we feel like it. Tomorrow is not promised, and that is why each and every day we must pick up our cross and walk with God. Each and every day we must repent and try our absolute hardest to not only feel sorry for our sin but to abstain from it and let it go. We cannot go on picking and choosing what we want to let go of and what we don’t. At the end of the day like it says on Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV, the unrighteous and etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God. So if we were to be like any one of those mentioned on the list of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God, feeling sorry or guilt will NOT do it and will not be enough to seek the Kingdom of God, if it were then God would’ve said himself that even the sexually immoral and etc would inherit the Kingdom of God. But no. That is not biblical. Only true repentance which not only includes feelings of guilt or sorry, but an ACTUAL change in both actions and behavior, and abstaining from your sin completely WILL lead you to salvation. Not guilt or shame.
Here is another excellent passage about attributed sin: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Romans 5. In effect sin affected the nature of every single person after Adam.
I agree we are not born sinners. To say God who is Holy and who judges sin, creates us all sinners already is just ridiculous. How can God judge us righteously for sin, if it was HE who created us sinners at birth. For who can resist God? We are born with a sin nature. When we define sin according to scripture it is the WILLFULL trangress against the law of GOD. How can a infant make a willfull choice? To Din against God is you making a conscious choice to do so, and a baby can NOT achieve this feat.
Without a Love of the Truth, these Holy Scriptures are foolishness
to you.
For by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin and so death passed unto all men for that all have sinned.
Are you thinking that God is unjust?
Paul is saying that before coming to this earth all men had sinned.
Adam was intended to be the answer to sin in resisti g the serpent.
Adam hid his initial h8s bosom and allowed his wife to go near to
the tree of good and evil.
For through one man's disobedience, many were made sinners.
For as in Adam all die.
David the king of Israel: Behold,I was shapen ( to dance or twist in pain ) .
in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me
Hi, I believe we're born in sin. The Lord gave the ultimate sacrifice
to pardon my sins. I don't recall deliberately choosing them, more
a moral weakness due to problems, never resolved in early life.
Nobody has not sinned. Do most people choose to gamble?
Or is it something else? Maybe boredom? Maybe wanting excitement?
Some Christians are homosexual. Those who repent
explain how they got drawn in, their background, feelings.
Often bullied, feeling less. They would never choose it,
but step by step they fell.
I'd be interested in someone who never fell, or got taken in.
A sinner knows they have weaknesses and need help.
I'm just so amazed to be saved.
Important topic.
We are not guilty of adams sin like we are told we are in catholism . I love how the religious world brings us up in guilt !!! Takes time to get out of that . We have a sinful nature .
Robin, this was Biblical teaching long before it was Catholic teaching: “Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” Romans 5:12 also v. 19:, “For as by one man’s (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s (Jesus) obedience many will be made righteous.” Context is everything.
Paul's point in Romans 3:23 is that both Jews and Gentiles have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. I think this means they have chosen to sin, not being born sinners. Eventually, all people choose to sin and fall short of God's glory.
Being born in the Spirit is explained more by 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 I think: "For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit."
Also, when we obey the gospel and are immersed into Christ, the Spirit "marks" us as belonging to God: "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13-14)
When we are immersed into Christ in obedient faith, we are "raised up to walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:3-7). A new life - a birth - by water and the Spirit.
I hope this helps!